Bronze Tiger

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Player Nickname: Brian.



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Character Origin: As I've said before, I'm a bit of comic purist when it comes to these things; however, I will be relying on comics for the foundation and reaching out across footage of BT from Arrow, Arkham Origins, and animated Batman movies to try and nail down some common traits and create a credible depiction of him.







Face Claim's Name: Michael Jai White







Name: Benjamin Turner

Alias: Bronze Tiger

Race: Human.

Age: 37

Birthday: n/a

Alignment: Good



Height: 6'3

Weight: 240 lbs

Hair: Black

Eyes: Brown

Physique: Ben is generally depicted as having a wrestler's body type. He's a physically imposing guy with large traps, broad shoulders, a wide chest, a short, thick neck and a somewhat lean figure in spite of how bulky he looks in some panels. He has a nice balance of muscle mass that enables him to move quickly and overpower his adversaries if need be.



Training: Taught by the legendary O-Sensei, Ben has demonstrated a knowledge in Aikido, Karate, Kung Fu, Jiujitsu, Ninjutsu and Judo. O-Sensei has additionally credited himself as a master of other arts such as Boxing and Savate, elements of which could've been passed down to his students. For a long time, he and Richard Dragon were equals (sans Richard's awesome necklace). He was also brainwashed and trained by the League of Assassins to kill. As part of mastering the Karate, Kung Fu, and Ninjutsu styles, Ben also possesses a mastery of multiple weapons. It's not far-fetched to assume that he's capable of using far more than just the weapons he's been depicted as carrying.







Equipment: Varies with Bronze Tiger. Sometimes he's been depicted as carrying katanas, knives, and retractable claws. I imagine he would use whatever is called for in his next mission, despite his heavy preference for hand-to-hand combat.



Powers / Abilities



Legendary Martial Artist: Under the seven year tutelage of O-Sensei, Ben has acquired skills that have allowed him to defeat the likes of Batman, Deathstroke, Catman and other formidable adversaries in straight up hand to hand combat battles. As a martial artist, he has a thorough understanding of human anatomy and has been known to utilize that by attacking pressure points. He has been trained by the League of Assassins to kill and even prior had possessed a knowledge of Ninjutsu, which allowed him to infiltrate military bases as a fresh-faced 25 year old. Needless to say, Bronze Tiger is considered to be one of the best martial artists in the DC universe hands down.

Weapons Mastery: Ben has demonstrated an ability to use bladed weapons in combat on multiple occasions. While he hasn't often utilized other weapons (despite most likely having the ability to), he can be seen using a knife in his battle with Catman and carrying a katana in the New 52 depictions of him. To give a comparison, early iterations of Lady Shiva portray her as a weapons specialist, and her sister is the goddaughter of O-Sensei, who trained Richard Dragon and Ben Turner. It can be assumed that Lady Shiva has trained under O-Sensei and learned some of that weapons mastery from him. While this doesn't put Ben Turner at her skill level, a lot can be said for O-Sensei's credibility as a teacher of weapons combat, assuming that Shiva's familial lineage has indeed led to her training under him. 

League of Assassins Training: Being trained to kill is different from being trained to fight. That being said, in his conditioning, I have no doubt that the League of Assassin imparted knowledge to Ben. During the Suicide Squad's battle with the Jihad, Ravan asked Ben why he wouldn't kill despite training with the League of Assassins, and Ben stated that he didn't remember it and therefore refused to give Ravan the death he asked for. Following Ben's deprogramming, he regained his memory of his tenure (so to speak) with the League of Assassins and, along with it, most likely the training he received.

Leadership: Picked up during his tenure in the Suicide Squad, Ben started out as a silent second-in-command. When Rick Flag was demoted by Amanda Waller, Ben was immediately promoted as a leader and gradually developed that skill as the Suicide Squad completed more and more missions. 

Tactical analysis: Best exemplified in the panels of the early Suicide Squad issues, Ben displays an excellent analytical ability that allows him to leverage any advantages he has against superpowered adversaries. This goes back to Ben's leadership abilities, as he's capable of leveraging this knowledge to guide his teammates to the best possible outcome. His status as a strategist and tactician are on par with warriors such as Batman and Deathstroke, who utilize their own strategic/tactical knowledge to compensate for any inferiority they may have as martial artists and defeat their foes (i.e. Deathstroke defeat Cassandra Cain despite Cain being a superior martial artist). Ben's ability to take them down shows that he is a very capable tactician himself.

High intellect: Ben has, on multiple occasions, demonstrated impressive intellect as a leader and a combatant. He is capable of looking at situations and coming up with tactful solutions regardless of whether or not they are combat related. Also, Ben has exercised some instances of basic medial knowledge when helping his fallen teammates.

Pedagogy: Ben has proven himself to be an incredible instructor. He's opened up his own school on multiple occasions and if you want to look to his successes then look no further than Cassandra Cain -- another one of DC universe's most dangerous martial artists.

Chi Manipulation: After breaking his knee, Ben was able to manipulate his chi to speed up his recovery from a matter of months to a matter of days. It is unclear what else this manipulation can be used for.

Empathy: Ben is able to read and understand emotions without clear indicators. While not a superpower, this ability has allowed Ben to communicate with people who are ordinarily more reserved. He's a great listener as well.



Weaknesses



Humanity: Ben is peak human at best. He has proven himself strong enough to damage pressure points through steel skin, but has succumbed to his natural limitations in many other situations as well. One glaring example is 'The Final Price,' where the team found themselves ill-equipped to deal with Manhunter androids. Ben tried to fight these androids but broke his knee in the process and was unable to continue with the mission.


Compassion: As cold as it sounds, Ben's compassion is a weakness. As a leader, Ben would often disobey direct orders from Waller to save teammates. The entire point of the Squad is that they're supposed to be disposable -- Ben would risk his own life or the lives of others on the team if he thought he could save one of them from dying. This is, however, balanced by the fact that Ben has displayed great judgment in the past and is usually good at making these kinds of calls.


Note: I would list the conditioning of the League of Assassins as a weakness but as far as I'm aware there doesn't seem to be a big LoA group and I'm therefore playing Ben post-deprogramming. My iteration of Ben has already established a fearsome reputation as one of the universe's best martial artists and is generally benevolent -- as he was shown to be in later issues of the Suicide Squad and Richard Dragon. If anything, it's a testament to his mental fortitude.




Character Time Line



1978 - Born.


1996 - Graduates high school. Angry, fatherless youth who's already killed two burgulars who tried to rob his mom. Goes to train under O-Sensei, where he channels and eventually conquers that anger. This is best observed in the early Richard Dragon issues \where Ben remains composed in the face of racism and other forms of blatant disrespect.


2003 - As listed in the comics, Ben and Richard trained under O-Sensei for 7 years. After training, Ben and Richard are encouraged to find their own bath and begin taking jobs for the G.O.O.D. organization with Barney Ling. This is how they get into acting as heroes.


2008 - That makes five years of adventures with Ben and Richard Dragon. In this time Ben inherited a large settlement of land from his sister, opened up a martial arts school with Richard Dragon and met and tragically lost his girlfriend to the evil machinations of Professor Ojo.


2013 - After being captured in an arctic base during a mission with Dragon and Lady Shiva, Turner mysteriously disappears. Barney Ling turns out to be a traitor and Ben his brainwashed into becoming one of the League of Assassins, where he establishes a fearsome reputation across the world.


2015 - King Faraday sets up a rescue flag and capture Ben. He's deprogrammed and works for the Suicide Squad, not only to clear his name, but to remember his past. We pick up shortly after Ben has temporarily left the Suicide Squad and faced his demons.



Audition post



"I'm telling you dude, it's bullshit," said one of the six kids who combed the streets of a shoddy New York borough.


"You're dressed like a moron, you do all of these goofy poses, and for what? Some Karate Kid bullshit? Anybody here will tell you, real shit, that don't work in the streets."



"The shit I decide to do doesn't affect you. You need to worry about your own little get-rich-quick bullshit with Alex anyway. It's a wonder you both aren't dead yet."



Dressed from head to toe in a black karate uniform, the group-proclaimed "karate kid" grabbed the dangling sides of his belt and yanked them apart, tightening the knot between them. He absent-mindedly went about picking the lint off of his uniform as another kid in a hoodie, presumably "Alex," chirped from behind.



"Man, ya'll are bullshittin'. All this talk about throwin' hands and ain't none of you knuckled up yet. If you really a bunch of tough guys then both of you will quit bitchin' and settle it like men."


"I don't fight unless I have to. That's what I was taught. I'm just tryna get hom--"


Suddenly, the gi-wearing kid was on the sidewalk, disoriented and confused as he stared down groggily at the pavement. Standing over him was the argumentative friend from earlier, a kid with short dreads, a t shirt and a pair of baggy sweats. Most notable about him was the silver chain around his neck -- dog tags from his brother who'd been deployed a few years ago.


"Fuck that! I'm about this shit! You really think that kung fu bullshit is gonna save you, Rahzael? I'm your friend, I'm tryin' to help YOU. I don't have to do none of this bullshit, I could just let one of these killers out here catch you lackin'! You need to drop this childish bullshit and get yourself a gun so you can really be out here!"


The group crowded around with a plethora of 'yo yo yo!'s and other scattered sounds of protest. Alex held his arms out, holding back some of the kids and explaining to them that the two should be left to resolve their differences on their own. Rahzael, on the other hand, pushed himself up from the ground before he was greeted by a flurry of swings from his "friend," struggling to compose himself and staggering into the middle of the street. Before he knew it, he was on the ground and a much larger figure was standing in front of him, spreading his arms out. He recognized it instantly.

"That's enough," said the deep voice it belonged to.


"Ay Hong Kong Phooey, move the fuck out the way!"


"Nah nah, Alex. Hold up, I recognize this dude. This ain't one of the instructors, this is Mr. Miyagi himself."


Almost immediately, Alex riffed, "Oh shit, it's Black Dynamite!" The kids now gathered behind the bully, laughing and looking the larger man up and down. They weren't too much shorter than Ben, otherwise known the Bronze Tiger, who fearlessly stood face to face with the hoodlums without back up. His eyes narrowed for a moment as the main hoodlum began hurling insults and questions his way.

"You fuckin' scam artist! Where the fuck are your championships? If you're such a badass, why ain't you doin' that MMA shit on TV?"


"I've got a different kind of experience. The kind I don't care to talk about."


"Oh word? So that's it, huh? You just gon' backpedal like the big ass fraud you are. Ay, you know what? Ya'll right. Hitting Rahzael ain't gonna teach him nothin', but when we fuck up this clown we'll show him that all of that kung fu bullshit don't help when it comes down to it."


Alex stepped past the lead aggressor, accompanied by one of the quiet friends in the background. They briskly moved toward Ben, who reacted to their outward aggression as provocation and charged into the both of them. He drove one of those large feet into the side of the Alex's head, stepping off of it to slam the other into the side of his friend's and knock them both to the ground. He then descended swiftly, driving the point of his elbow into the bridge of the bully's nose, breaking it and sitting him down in the middle of the street. It was something straight out of a movie scene.

"What the fuck?!"


"Watch your mouth. I don't know where you're from, but when you're in front of my school? You're on my turf. Rahzael here is wearing my colors, and if I catch you giving him trouble again? There's only one color you'll see on your way to the hospital, and you'll see it half of it again on your way to jail. Got it?"


"Yeah, yeah. Whatever, man."


Ben didn't bother to press to the issue any further. A few of the hoods had run away in the midst of the action, leaving the bully to tend to his friends as they were just waking up. Ben did the same, throwing Rahzael's arm over his shoulders  to help the kid to his feet as he walked off a pounding headache -- the worst of which was subsiding after the surprise fistfight his friends decided to spring on him.


"You might have a concussion. We need to get you to the--"



"No! No, my parents would kill me for chillin' with them. I just need to get some sleep, this isn't the first fight I've had to walk off."



"Fine, then 2 hours of extra warm ups tomorrow."



"What?! Why?!"



"You disobeyed your parents and put yourself in danger. If they can't punish you then I will. I want 200 push ups after class, minimum. And I will be watching to make sure you don't cut corners."


"Wait! Wait!"


"...What?"


"Is the hospital still an option?"


Ben stopped, looking down at the kid and then smiling.


"Good man."

[Dean]

Hey man, I like the app and don't know much about the character, but I do have a few questions.

1. You mention his equipment varies from mission to mission, but not any training w/ natural proclivity for using them. What's his skill level with a katana or bow and how would he stand up against masters of these weapons? 

2. How does he use the league of assassin's training? Is he more a shadow operative or a knocking down doors till someone answers type? Does he prefer the element of surprise or instant aggression in his approaches. 

3. You mentioned he killed before undergoing his training with O-Sensei does that bother him currently / affect any of the decisions he makes on missions? 

4. I'd like to see more thought put into the powers and weaknesses section, it seems very bare bones and from experience, I've found that really considering these things can help when coming up with stories and actions in future rps. 

5. Best of luck. 

[Batman]

Oct 16, 2015 20:24:49 GMT -5 @bronzetiger said:

Basic Information



Player Nickname: Brian.



Profile URL: roleplay.chat/profile.php?user=Bronze%20Tiger



Do you want other role players to give you feed back?

Sure, why not?



Which DCU Earth are you applying to?:

Both.



Please link the URL to our rule page to confirm you have read them.

Yup.



Please link the URL to our activity policy to confirm you have read it.

Here ya go.



Character Origin: As I've said before, I'm a bit of comic purist when it comes to these things; however, I will be relying on comics for the foundation and reaching out across footage of BT from Arrow, Arkham Origins, and animated Batman movies to try and nail down some common traits and create a credible depiction of him.







Face Claim's Name: Michael Jai White







Name: Benjamin Turner

Alias: Bronze Tiger

Race: Human.

Age: 37

Birthday: n/a

Alignment: Good



Height: 6'3

Weight: 240 lbs

Hair: Black

Eyes: Brown

Physique: Ben is generally depicted as having a wrestler's body type. He's a physically imposing guy with large traps, broad shoulders, a wide chest, a short, thick neck and a somewhat lean figure in spite of how bulky he looks in some panels. He has a nice balance of muscle mass that enables him to move quickly and overpower his adversaries if need be.



Training: Taught by the legendary O-Sensei, Ben has demonstrated a knowledge in Aikido, Karate, Kung Fu, Jiujitsu, Ninjutsu and Judo. For a long time, he and Richard Dragon were equals (sans Richard's awesome necklace). He was also brainwashed and trained by the League of Assassins to kill.







Equipment: Varies with Bronze Tiger. Sometimes he's been depicted as carrying katanas, bows, and retractable claws. I imagine he would use whatever is called for in his next mission, despite his heavy preference for hand-to-hand combat.



Powers / Abilities



Legendary Martial Artist: Under the seven year tutelage of O-Sensei, Ben has acquired skills that have allowed him to defeat the likes of Batman, Deathstroke, Catman and other formiddable adversaries in straight up hand to hand combat battles. He has been trained by the League of Assassins to kill and even prior had possessed a knowledge of Ninjutsu, which allowed him to infiltrate military bases as a fresh-faced 25 year old. Needless to say, Bronze Tiger is considered to be one of the best martial artists in the DC universe hands down.

Leadership: Picked up during his tenure in the Suicide Squad, Ben started out as a silent second-in-command. When Rick Flag was demoted by Amanda Waller, Ben was immediately promoted as a leader and gradually developed that skill as the Suicide Squad completed more and more missions. It's not far-fetched to say that he's a bit of a strategist and tectician as well given that he's been placed as a lead command and therefore tasked with making the best use of every team member's powers and abilities to effectively progress through missions.


High intellect: Ben has, on multiple occasions, demonstrated impressive intellect as a leader and a combatant. He has a broad base of knowledge when it comes to anatomy (more specifically pressure points), has excellent deductive reasoning and can be a bit of an empath at times. The latter is best observed in Ben's relationship with Amanda Waller, as he can often read when she's troubled, act as a voice of reason and speak to her more candidly than most other members of the team. She has also demonstrated faith in him as a leader as well.





Weaknesses



Humanity: Ben is peak human at best. He has proven himself strong enough to damage pressure points through steel skin, but has succumbed to his natural limitations in many other situations as well. One glaring example is 'The Final Price,' where the team found themselves ill-equipped to deal with Manhunter androids. Ben tried to fight these androids but broke his knee in the process and was unable to continue with the mission.


Compassion: As cold as it sounds, Ben's compassion is a weakness. As a leader, Ben would often disobey direct orders from Waller to save teammates. The entire point of the Squad is that they're supposed to be disposable -- Ben would risk his own life or the lives of others on the team if he thought he could save one of them from dying. This is, however, balanced by the fact that Ben has displayed great judgment in the past and is usually good at making these kinds of calls.


Note: I would list the conditioning of the League of Assassins as a weakness but as far as I'm aware there doesn't seem to be a big LoA group and I'm therefore playing Ben post-deprogramming. My iteration of Ben has already established a fearsome reputation as one of the universe's best martial artists and is generally benevolent -- as he was shown to be in later issues of the Suicide Squad and Richard Dragon. If anything, it's a testament to his mental fortitude.




Character Time Line



1978 - Born.


1996 - Graduates high school. Angry, fatherless youth who's already killed two burgulars who tried to rob his mom. Goes to train under O-Sensei.


2003 - As listed in the comics, Ben and Richard trained under O-Sensei for 7 years.


2008 - That makes five years of adventures with Ben and Richard Dragon. In this time Ben inherited a large settlement of land from his sister, opened up a martial arts school with Richard Dragon and met and tragically lost his girlfriend to the evil machinations of Professor Ojo.


2013 - After being captured in an arctic base during a mission with Dragon and Lady Shiva, Turner mysteriously disappears. Barney Ling turns out to be a traitor and Ben his brainwashed into becoming one of the League of Assassins, where he establishes a fearsome reputation across the world.


2015 - King Faraday sets up a rescue flag and capture Ben. He's deprogrammed and works for the Suicide Squad, not only to clear his name, but to remember his past. We pick up shortly after Ben has temporarily left the Suicide Squad and faced his demons.



Audition post



"I'm telling you dude, it's bullshit," said one of the six kids who combed the streets of a shoddy New York borough.


"You're dressed like a moron, you do all of these goofy poses, and for what? Some Karate Kid bullshit? Anybody here will tell you, real shit, that don't work in the streets."



"The shit I decide to do doesn't affect you. You need to worry about your own little get-rich-quick bullshit with Alex anyway. It's a wonder you both aren't dead yet."



Dressed from head to toe in a black karate uniform, the group-proclaimed "karate kid" grabbed the dangling sides of his belt and yanked them apart, tightening the knot between them. He absent-mindedly went about picking the lint off of his uniform as another kid in a hoodie, presumably "Alex," chirped from behind.



"Man, ya'll are bullshittin'. All this talk about throwin' hands and ain't none of you knuckled up yet. If you really a bunch of tough guys then both of you will quit bitchin' and settle it like men."


"I don't fight unless I have to. That's what I was taught. I'm just tryna get hom--"


Suddenly, the gi-wearing kid was on the sidewalk, disoriented and confused as he stared down groggily at the pavement. Standing over him was the argumentative friend from earlier, a kid with short dreads, a t shirt and a pair of baggy sweats. Most notable about him was the silver chain around his neck -- dog tags from his brother who'd been deployed a few years ago.


"Fuck that! I'm about this shit! You really think that kung fu bullshit is gonna save you, Rahzael? I'm your friend, I'm tryin' to help YOU. I don't have to do none of this bullshit, I could just let one of these killers out here catch you lackin'! You need to drop this childish bullshit and get yourself a gun so you can really be out here!"


The group crowded around with a plethora of 'yo yo yo!'s and other scattered sounds of protest. Alex held his arms out, holding back some of the kids and explaining to them that the two should be left to resolve their differences on their own. Rahzael, on the other hand, pushed himself up from the ground before he was greeted by a flurry of swings from his "friend," struggling to compose himself and staggering into the middle of the street. Before he knew it, he was on the ground and a much larger figure was standing in front of him, spreading his arms out. He recognized it instantly.

"That's enough," said the deep voice it belonged to.


"Ay Hong Kong Phooey, move the fuck out the way!"


"Nah nah, Alex. Hold up, I recognize this dude. This ain't one of the instructors, this is Mr. Miyagi himself."


Almost immediately, Alex riffed, "Oh shit, it's Black Dynamite!" The kids now gathered behind the bully, laughing and looking the larger man up and down. They weren't too much shorter than Ben, otherwise known the Bronze Tiger, who fearlessly stood face to face with the hoodlums without back up. His eyes narrowed for a moment as the main hoodlum began hurling insults and questions his way.

"You fuckin' scam artist! Where the fuck are your championships? If you're such a badass, why ain't you doin' that MMA shit on TV?"


"I've got a different kind of experience. The kind I don't care to talk about."


"Oh word? So that's it, huh? You just gon' backpedal like the big ass fraud you are. Ay, you know what? Ya'll right. Hitting Rahzael ain't gonna teach him nothin', but when we fuck up this clown we'll show him that all of that kung fu bullshit don't help when it comes down to it."


Alex stepped past the lead aggressor, accompanied by one of the quiet friends in the background. They briskly moved toward Ben, who reacted to their outward aggression as provocation and charged into the both of them. He drove one of those large feet into the side of the Alex's head, stepping off of it to slam the other into the side of his friend's and knock them both to the ground. He then descended swiftly, driving the point of his elbow into the bridge of the bully's nose, breaking it and sitting him down in the middle of the street. It was something straight out of a movie scene.

"What the fuck?!"


"Watch your mouth. I don't know where you're from, but when you're in front of my school? You're on my turf. Rahzael here is wearing my colors, and if I catch you giving him trouble again? There's only one color you'll see on your way to the hospital, and you'll see it half of it again on your way to jail. Got it?"


"Yeah, yeah. Whatever, man."


Ben didn't bother to press to the issue any further. A few of the hoods had run away in the midst of the action, leaving the bully to tend to his friends as they were just waking up. Ben did the same, throwing Rahzael's arm over his shoulders  to help the kid to his feet as he walked off a pounding headache -- the worst of which was subsiding after the surprise fistfight his friends decided to spring on him.


"You might have a concussion. We need to get you to the--"



"No! No, my parents would kill me for chillin' with them. I just need to get some sleep, this isn't the first fight I've had to walk off."



"Fine, then 2 hours of extra warm ups tomorrow."



"What?! Why?!"



"You disobeyed your parents and put yourself in danger. If they can't punish you then I will. I want 200 push ups after class, minimum. And I will be watching to make sure you don't cut corners."


"Wait! Wait!"


"...What?"


"Is the hospital still an option?"


Ben stopped, looking down at the kid and then smiling.


"Good man."

1. I like a lot of the work you've put into it. The audition post started out a little cliche, but you did a good job showing Ben's personality as well showing the heroes don't have the wear masks.

2. Birthday can be fabricated to your liking, you have 1978 has his birth year, make up a day you feel is suitable. Most people like the idea of the day/month their character's first issue occurred. Others prefer homage to the creator of the character, and some like theme's that conform to their character's personality (IE: Captain America's actual Birthday is July 4th)

3. Regarding powers:

I: Willpower isn't listed, Why not?

II: Empathy / Compassion isn't listed under strengths, you have it clarified under weaknesses, it would make sense if it was also a strength as Empathy can help understand the needs of others.

III: I think would be fair to say that Bronze Tiger likes to work with certain people because if you follow the Suicide Squad method - you'll have to work with and train new people every mission if someone fails, falls behind, or dies. You can't control every situation as maybe a guard was in the bathroom, maybe another heist was happening at the same time, maybe something unforeseen happens. Bronze Tiger would rather work with people he's reliably comfortable with. Navy Seals prefer their own over a Jarhead or a Ranger. It's fair that BT wants to work with his crew and not anyone else unless he has to. (Via someone has actually died)

IV: Your description of his High Intellect can be broken down into sects without seeming like he's a 12th level intellect. Bronze Tiger is strategic and tactical to the point he is capable of being like Deathstroke or Batman.

High intellect usually means comprehension - his ability to decipher, understand, and comprehend what is happening and what is going on. Wisdom is his ability to act upon that knowledge and chose the path that affords the best outcome.

His strategic and tactical mind allows him to make a tough call and the right decision when under pressure.

V: Understanding anatomy would be a different ability such as Medic (if he can heal/fix/bandage injuries properly) For example Alfred Pennyworth and Batman are Master Medic's, NOT doctors or Nurses. Medic can do patch-up jobs to fix someone despite not having the proper tools on standby.

It could also be Pressure Point knowledge - which is different than Knowledge of Anatomy. There's a few ways you can describe this ability, is my point.


What say you?

[Deleted]

Hey guys, thanks for taking the time to look over my application. I'm not sure if you want these answers put into the application or done separately so I'll try my best to answer them here.

Oct 17, 2015 9:51:59 GMT -5 Dean said:

1. You mention his equipment varies from mission to mission, but not any training w/ natural proclivity for using them. What's his skill level with a katana or bow and how would he stand up against masters of these weapons? 

This is my fault, but I think that as part of his martial arts training, Ben was also trained in the usage of multiple weapons. This is best demonstrated in the old Richard Dragon series when he and Richard infiltrated a military base to retrieve a nuclear submarine. They used different weapons such as caltrops, shuriken, and grappling hook. It's a bit of a technicality, but there's a case to be made for Ben knowing how to use weapons. Aside from pictures of him carrying katanas, bows, and retractable claws, the arts of karate, kung fu, and ninjutsu usually encompass quite a bit of weapons training toward the tail-end. I'd venture to say that he knows how to use even more weapons than that -- that's just part of mastering martial arts.

Oct 17, 2015 9:51:59 GMT -5 Dean said:

2. How does he use the league of assassin's training? Is he more a shadow operative or a knocking down doors till someone answers type? Does he prefer the element of surprise or instant aggression in his approaches. 

This is a good question. I think that Ben would prefer to pull his punches because my iteration of him would lack the conditioning and therefore not want to carry that stuff out. His approach in missions varies. Ben strikes me as someone who's a big proponent of using necessary force and would kill if he had to, but wouldn't like it. While he faces a lot of his opponents head on, I don't think is intentionally. I think that if Ben could get a job done by means of stealth and quickly get out? He'd take that opportunity. I'd say his approach varies on a mission to mission basis and depend on the circumstances he encounters.

Oct 17, 2015 9:51:59 GMT -5 Dean said:

3. You mentioned he killed before undergoing his training with O-Sensei does that bother him currently / affect any of the decisions he makes on missions? 

No, but it was his motivation for getting into martial arts in the first place. Ben was a very angry inner-city youth and channeled that anger into his training under O-Sensei, who helped him to grow as a threat as well as a person. As far as decisions on missions is concerned, no. Richard Dragon would be more of a case for this, but Ben seems to abide by his own instinct rather than calling back to the wisdom of O-Sensei. IN a situation of extreme duress where the Sensei's knowledge is applicable by context, I do imagine that Ben would remember that, but the things he has seen have molded him into a very different person.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

1. I like a lot of the work you've put into it. The audition post started out a little cliche, but you did a good job showing Ben's personality as well showing the heroes don't have the wear masks.

Thanks.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

I: Willpower isn't listed, Why not?

I haven't really seen anything from BT that has demonstrated willpower is a particular strength. An argument could be made for the fact that he has withstood deprogramming and being programmed but, in my opinion, if Ben isn't breaking out of the holds of telepaths and leveraging it against otherworldly forces then it shouldn't really be listed.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

II: Empathy / Compassion isn't listed under strengths, you have it clarified under weaknesses, it would make sense if it was also a strength as Empathy can help understand the needs of others.

I wanted to make a case for Ben having high intellect so I lumped in his empathetic abilities as being a part of that. Maybe empathy should be listed separately...? He has been able to talk to various members of the team.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

III: I think would be fair to say that Bronze Tiger likes to work with certain people because if you follow the Suicide Squad method - you'll have to work with and train new people every mission if someone fails, falls behind, or dies. You can't control every situation as maybe a guard was in the bathroom, maybe another heist was happening at the same time, maybe something unforeseen happens. Bronze Tiger would rather work with people he's reliably comfortable with. Navy Seals prefer their own over a Jarhead or a Ranger. It's fair that BT wants to work with his crew and not anyone else unless he has to. (Via someone has actually died)

I would agree if the Suicide Squad weren't so unstable. They've had multiple defectors and are all out for their own gain. Sometimes they seem at odds with one another and I think Ben realizes that he's working a volatile combination of personalities. Furthermore, I think that Ben's preference for the team would solely sit on the fact that he's familiar with their abilities and how they think. If he were equally informed of those components of a less dysfunctional team? I think he would take the opportunity to work with them instead of the Suicide Squad.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

IV: Your description of his High Intellect can be broken down into sects without seeming like he's a 12th level intellect. Bronze Tiger is strategic and tactical to the point he is capable of being like Deathstroke or Batman.

I agree. I just wanted to make a case for Ben being a high intellect period. I threw in various factors that would demonstrate that because he has, in the past, made some stupid decisions. He does display excellent analytical abilities in a lot of situations, though. Perhaps I should list his strategic and tactical abilities separately.

Oct 17, 2015 9:56:04 GMT -5 Batman said:

V: Understanding anatomy would be a different ability such as Medic (if he can heal/fix/bandage injuries properly) For example Alfred Pennyworth and Batman are Master Medic's, NOT doctors or Nurses. Medic can do patch-up jobs to fix someone despite not having the proper tools on standby.

It could also be Pressure Point knowledge - which is different than Knowledge of Anatomy. There's a few ways you can describe this ability, is my point.


What say you?

Well, Ben has helped his fallen comrades, though I've only seen him help with simple things like putting pressure on wounds to prevent blood loss. I think that, as a master martial artist, Ben is required to understand the human body and all of its weaknesses. I think he's able to leverage this understanding both as a healer and a combatant.



I tremendously appreciate your advice guys and I will be applying edits to the profile just to make sure I respond to these criticisms correctly. Hopefully, I can get this thing approved soon. Thanks.

[Batman]

Keep us in the loop with your updates. Remember, we recommend you post at least once a week to inform us of your status/update/changes or if you're still interested.

Already I'm writing up a story idea that I can bring you into if you're interested.

Understand that we RP up and down the timeline, so you CAN do an RP that takes place in the LoA but you can also do an RP where Ben is learning Martial Arts for the first time. We're very flexible with allowing players to explore aspects of their characters they don't usually get to explore in other RPs or with their other characters outside of DCU.

[Dean]

1. While I'll grant you that many styles of Martial arts have weapons worked into them, it doesn't speak to all styles focusing on the use of those weapons. My question more so relates to how he would compare against a weapon master. For instance, in Ninjitsu, the focus is stealth and assassination, as that's what the original ninja's were. Their training with swords consisted of the ability to deliver a strike that was sure to kill their opponents, as opposed to open battle against a blade master. In fact, Ninja sword's were poorly crafted and cheap, only good for one or two strikes because, with any luck, that would be all they need.

I can't say I know how that would relate to Karate or Kung Fu or what style of weapons they implement, but I think the way Ben would use a blade, his comfort level and his mastery of the weapon deserve a bit of explanation. Same with a bow, can he judge a shot on a moving target? From what range? These things speak to the advantage a person has with the weapons used. A journeyman Bowman against a novice should have no trouble eliminating his target, but against a person who has studied and worked with a bow for as long as Ben has worked in martial arts as a whole. It's a bit long winded, I'm just looking for a basis for comparison. 

2. Answers my question, thank you.

3. Answers my question, thank you. 


I'm liking what I'm reading so far, keep up the good work. 

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Oct 17, 2015 18:38:06 GMT -5 Batman said:

Keep us in the loop with your updates. Remember, we recommend you post at least once a week to inform us of your status/update/changes or if you're still interested.

Already I'm writing up a story idea that I can bring you into if you're interested.

Understand that we RP up and down the timeline, so you CAN do an RP that takes place in the LoA but you can also do an RP where Ben is learning Martial Arts for the first time. We're very flexible with allowing players to explore aspects of their characters they don't usually get to explore in other RPs or with their other characters outside of DCU.

I have updated the Equipment, Training and Powers/Abilities sections for reasons listed below. I'd also like you to know that I'm capable of playing Ben in any state, be it his days as an LoA assassin, his days first learning the martial arts or his days as a living legend following the programming and deprogramming of his LoA conditioning and his time in the Suicide Squad. I'd be content to roleplay him during his time in the Squad as well. Send me the details for the story and count me in.

Oct 17, 2015 18:45:33 GMT -5 Dean said:

1. While I'll grant you that many styles of Martial arts have weapons worked into them, it doesn't speak to all styles focusing on the use of those weapons. My question more so relates to how he would compare against a weapon master. For instance, in Ninjitsu, the focus is stealth and assassination, as that's what the original ninja's were. Their training with swords consisted of the ability to deliver a strike that was sure to kill their opponents, as opposed to open battle against a blade master. In fact, Ninja sword's were poorly crafted and cheap, only good for one or two strikes because, with any luck, that would be all they need. I can't say I know how that would relate to Karate or Kung Fu or what style of weapons they implement, but I think the way Ben would use a blade, his comfort level and his mastery of the weapon deserve a bit of explanation. Same with a bow, can he judge a shot on a moving target? From what range? These things speak to the advantage a person has with the weapons used. A journeyman Bowman against a novice should have no trouble eliminating his target, but against a person who has studied and worked with a bow for as long as Ben has worked in martial arts as a whole. It's a bit long winded, I'm just looking for a basis for comparison. 

I added a weapons mastery bit under the abilities and took out the bow because I was actually wrong about that bit, so I'm glad you called me on it. I also threw in the Lady Shiva bit as a sort of far-reaching benchmark of where Ben's at with his weapons ability. Additionally, I took the bow out of the equipment bit and added a few styles to the training because O-Sensei would likely pass down all elements of what he's learned to Ben and Richard. I've added a few other things as well, so hopefully that suffices for what you're looking for.

[Green Lantern]

If you intend to focus in katana usage, I would recommend reading about Iaido and Battojutsu. These are two combat styles utilized by the samurai in wielding the katana. As for Ninjustu, there is more than just stealth and assassination to it. There are many different schools that it encompasses. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninjutsu Though a wikipedia article, it does offer some information as to what all Ninjutsu has to offer.

[Elaine]

Good morning Bronze Tiger.

I did not know of this character before you posted it so I had to do some research. Overall I like it and the others have already told you about a few things that could perhaps be changed or not

I only had two things in mind.

1.- The Equipment, is it just those three options that he can choose from? Knives, katanas and claws? Just for clarity, if there are other options it could be fun to include them since he is supposed to be a weapon master. Should I assume that those three options are what he is best at and the rest he is relatively ok or good only? For example, how about a rapier? What happens if he faces a professional fencer?

2.- The post: At first I had some trouble with it because I was not entirely sure about the point of view, that is, I was not sure as to who was talking to who, typically this is done through something like this: "dialogue" he/she said to X. It is usually more adorned but it helps the audience. Anyway after reading it a pair of times I could make sense of it.

The only other thing about the post is the fact that he kicks the side of the head of one of the guys, usually this would mean that that guy is dead or severely injured but, since it is comic book logic and he is a martial artist expert I suppose that it is ok. Other than that the post gives some sense of his personality, which is something that I like.

I do not have any problems with this application so, that is all.

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Oct 18, 2015 4:56:09 GMT -5 Elaine said:

Good morning Bronze Tiger.

I did not know of this character before you posted it so I had to do some research. Overall I like it and the others have already told you about a few things that could perhaps be changed or not

I only had two things in mind.

1.- The Equipment, is it just those three options that he can choose from? Knives, katanas and claws? Just for clarity, if there are other options it could be fun to include them since he is supposed to be a weapon master. Should I assume that those three options are what he is best at and the rest he is relatively ok or good only? For example, how about a rapier? What happens if he faces a professional fencer?

2.- The post: At first I had some trouble with it because I was not entirely sure about the point of view, that is, I was not sure as to who was talking to who, typically this is done through something like this: "dialogue" he/she said to X. It is usually more adorned but it helps the audience. Anyway after reading it a pair of times I could make sense of it.

The only other thing about the post is the fact that he kicks the side of the head of one of the guys, usually this would mean that that guy is dead or severely injured but, since it is comic book logic and he is a martial artist expert I suppose that it is ok. Other than that the post gives some sense of his personality, which is something that I like.

I do not have any problems with this application so, that is all.

1. I don't think so. As a master martial artist with a full understanding of styles such as Karate, Ninjutsu and Kung Fu, I'd imagine he could use staffs, kamas, and a multitude of other things that I can't think of. This, however, is hard to benchmark since he hasn't displayed every skill he has in a comic. To me, it's completely obvious that he'd know how to use quite a few weapons, despite the fact he doesn't display as much comfort toward those as others. BT does what's necessary, and that's why I listed him as using whatever fits a mission best, which would probably include comfort as an important factor. Just because he's capable with a weapon doesn't mean he'll use it to the same potential as another in his arsenal. But I think it stands to reason that one of the best martial artists in DCU should have proficiency with more than a few weapons, especially if he's mastered those styles to such an extent that he is who he is.

I haven't seen too many instances of him using weapons, though I would assume that if someone like Lady Shiva were walking around with a katana she'd be damn good at using it (though she does have an extensive history of using bladed weapons). I wouldn't be quick to marginalize BT because of his preference for hand to hand -- I imagine if he faced a professional fencer he'd have a bit of trouble due to the fact that his training doesn't specialize in weapons. But the fact that BT is a martial artist means he has thorough understanding of physiology, movement, and things like that. Fencing still pertains to close combat skirmishes and I think that BT would fair well against a professional fencer even without a weapon, simply due to the fact that he's such a gifted martial artist. That being said, he can make a lot of weapons work regardless of experience, so it's hard to benchmark his proficiency in that area specifically.

2. If other people find it troubling I'll add more detail to the post, names included. I just looked at it as an audition post and didn't want to spend too much time setting up an entire scene for the reader, but given that I'm new to this whole application process I'm starting to realize that it requires more effort than I'm used to.

Thanks for the feedback.

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I'm going to agree with Elaine and suggest that you do add a bit more attribution of the dialogue though. It's OK to follow here, possibly a bit harder for those who need translation, but on RPC or other places where formatting can get lost then it could become rather difficult to follow.

I sometimes format my dialogue too so it's an idea to get in the habit of clearly attributing it.

Bruce's point was right though and its probably something we can all remember, in our hurry to set up recognisable situations and 'types' we can sometimes feel a little cliche or stereotypical... in this case however i think you stepped past that well once Ben became part of the scene.



Overall i like the app and the post, especially in its depiction of Ben.

[Batman]

To address Weapon Mastery - Lady Shiva is a weapon master as understanding how to win a fight involves understanding every way to kill using combative weaponry. Ben and I'm sure Richard Dragon are the same. Like all martial artists, however, everyone has different reasons for getting involved and devoting themselves to it as well different preferences. Ben prefers the more intimate weapons, but if a battleaxe falls into his hands and it's convenient, he knows how to use it to it's fullest and compliment his style of combat.

League Of Assassin Training - This is the most depressing part of the application, it's glossed over and shuffled off as nothing important (in my opinion) and despite their almost comical defeat in every story arc they're involved in...The League of Assassins aren't a small joke. They represent a constant threat and opposition to everything DC heroes stand for.

These are people who perfect and analyze every possible way to kill someone morally or ethically wrong otherwise. To quote Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins "With Gotham we tried a new method - Economics. Create enough poverty and everyone becomes a criminal." Ra's has used the idea of flooding the Earth would lazarus pits erupting all over the planet. In Arrow, Ra's directly took presence in trying to convince Green Arrow to become a member of the League of Assassins.

I would like to see this area expanded upon not a simple OOC summary of his capabilities before and after. As the League of Assassins would teach him things he would NOT learn in traditional martial arts such as poison weaponry, camouflage, opportunity, framing, erasing evidence of ones existence, digital hacking, silent walking/sprinting, trap doors (typical of Ninjitsu) Most of these things you don't learn from Martial Art masters.

Regardless, I will give my approval as it's only one thing that's not concise to my satisfaction.